Hi Tim!

I'm playing now for a couple of month and I guess I'm doing pretty fine so far. But I'm not quite sure when or if I should move up in the blind levels. What do you think should I be making in BB/100 that you say it's ok to move up? I'm playing 0.10- 0.25 nl now and I'm making 6.25 BB/100 in this level in about 80'000 hands. You think thats enough? Hope to hear from you soon...

If Tim is not answering, can anybody else help me out with my problem?

i think if your bankroll is big enough to move up 50nl then take a shot.If not keep grinding till it is.

just be willing to move down if it doesnt work out.

hope this help

p.s. i assume thats Big Bets/100 as opposed to big blinds?

Stones87 wrote:Hi Tim!

I'm playing now for a couple of month and I guess I'm doing pretty fine so far. But I'm not quite sure when or if I should move up in the blind levels. What do you think should I be making in BB/100 that you say it's ok to move up? I'm playing 0.10- 0.25 nl now and I'm making 6.25 BB/100 in this level in about 80'000 hands. You think thats enough? Hope to hear from you soon...

I'd say if your bankroll is sufficient and you've grinded out a profit over a long term (ie. 50-100k hands) then take a well-defined shot at the next level. Just be prepared to move back down if you lose a set number of buy-ins (somewhere between 5-10).

Don't feel the need to change your game because you're moving up. Just continue with the same game and you should be fine!

just fyi
fyi first couple months learning tim's style and lessons at 0.5/0.10 i was around 35bb/100 over 35k hands
i started out winning about 8bb/100 at next level for about first 15k hands at 0.10/0.25
then got better and was around 18bb/100 when i moved to next level
win rate at next level (0.25/0.50)around 4bb/100 for 5 k hnads or so, really a run of suckouts kept rate down,
got it up to about 12bb/100 for 20k hands or so,
then i moved up again since i had built a safe roll (about 3.5 k) so i can take a bad run w/ no worries

so short answer, i think you are missing some value at your current level, but if bankroll is big enough take a shot at next level
you can always drop back if run bad or have bad results

thanx for your reply hockeyguy.

but i guess it really depends on how many tables u play. if u only play 1 or 2 tables, handreading comes more in to your game and it's possible to win more BB/100. but if u tell me u making 12BB/100 average on 0.10-0.25 level in 20000 hands, that's pretty hard to believe. That number is just too high i guess. i know that the pros are making maximum around 10 BB/100 average, and that's really rare...

or maybe u just calculate it different. with BB/100 i mean Big Bets. 1BB = 2 big blinds
so i hope we are on the same page right now...

i apologize for the confusion

holdem manager calulates bb/100 hands
bb= big blind
i know other programss use BB/100 hands as BB=big bet which is 2 big blinds/ big bet

so yes my listed rates are in big blinds not big bets

that being said, i dont believe i came anywhere close to maximizing my win rate at that level, i simply got impatient and moved along

it is my understanding "pros" make most of their money vs fish, not each other
so if pros average 10 big bets/100 hands, most of it comes from the fish not other pros
so if you look at their win rate vs fish it is actually much higher
i think it is safe to say that all the players at 0.25/0.50 are fish compared to a player like tim
and he could easily beat the games at a much higher rate than i have been able to win

it just seemed like a less productive use of my time trying to increase win rate rather moving up stakes


i am by no means a pro, just trying to improve and win more

fyi- i typically play 3 or 4 tables, more commonly 3 tables as i am most comfortable paying attention and taking notes on 3 tables at once

again i apologize for unintended confusion

hockeyguy wrote:i apologize for the confusion

holdem manager calulates bb/100 hands
bb= big blind
i know other programss use BB/100 hands as BB=big bet which is 2 big blinds/ big bet

so yes my listed rates are in big blinds not big bets

that being said, i dont believe i came anywhere close to maximizing my win rate at that level, i simply got impatient and moved along

it is my understanding "pros" make most of their money vs fish, not each other
so if pros average 10 big bets/100 hands, most of it comes from the fish not other pros
so if you look at their win rate vs fish it is actually much higher
i think it is safe to say that all the players at 0.25/0.50 are fish compared to a player like tim
and he could easily beat the games at a much higher rate than i have been able to win

it just seemed like a less productive use of my time trying to increase win rate rather moving up stakes


i am by no means a pro, just trying to improve and win more

fyi- i typically play 3 or 4 tables, more commonly 3 tables as i am most comfortable paying attention and taking notes on 3 tables at once

again i apologize for unintended confusion

At higher stakes (1/2+), you're doing well if you are making 3 BB/100 or more (where BB = Big Bets = 2 x big blind). 10 BB/100 is just not sustainable even for the best player.

At lower stakes I'd aim for 5 BB/100.