Everleaf Gaming Game #245639402
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Blinds €0.05/€0.10 NL Hold'em - 2011/02/26 - 20:50:50

Table Dunedoo15
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players: 6
Seat 1: JohnnyChance HERO ( € 10.18 EURO )
Seat 2: Tapeworm ( € 5.74 EURO )
Seat 3: ilalan ( € 9.65 EURO )
Seat 4: NbkTheTroll ( € 12.43 EURO )
Seat 5: Leviosa VILLAIN ( € 13.73 EURO )
Seat 6: 4betbluff ( € 20.81 EURO )
Tapeworm: posts small blind [€ 0.05 EURO]
ilalan: posts big blind [€ 0.10 EURO]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to JohnnyChance [ Qd, Qc ]
NbkTheTroll folds
Leviosa raises [€ 0.30 EURO]
4betbluff folds
JohnnyChance raises [€ 0.90 EURO]
Tapeworm folds
ilalan folds
Leviosa raises [€ 2.60 EURO]
JohnnyChance raises [€ 7.95 EURO]
Leviosa raises [€ 10.83 EURO]
JohnnyChance calls [€ 1.33 EURO]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6h, Jh, Jc ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6d ]
JohnnyChance shows [ Qd, Qc ] two pairs, queens and jacks

is this ship preflop ok vs TAG

villains stats
463 hands
vpip/pfr 16/11
4bet range 5.6%
4bt-50%

same reason as other hand
vs a 16/11%, what can his 4 bet range possibly be? this is a way bettor indicator over 498 hands than the
4 bet stats. On only 498 hands 4 bet % means very little

i would have folded, felt VERY wussy, got a beer or whiskey to restore a feeling of manliness and looked for a bettor spot. Also notice he was utg+1, Also a 16/11 guy likely has a basic understanding of position

hg

thanks for your excellent replies to both of the QQ hands. I will change my strategy vs these nitty types and not read too much into the hold em manager 4bt stats until i have a much larger sample size.
he had KK in this hand example. QQ this weekend has been an overpair magnet for me!

i know it feels weak
but after enough crushinf results
you just realize any 4 bet at micros
vs your QQ puts you in in a bad way

been there tested it
got the scars to prove it

hg