Hello,

I was wondering if any FR players here had any specific strategy for combating set miners. Its simple to spot a Nit with a set or even a calling station, but what about the tags and lags?

I know that a large % of the time, if i raise from EP or MP and get flatted by a Nit or tag prob im up against a low - mid PP.

I seem to be getting caught with my pants down alot lately!

Good question! I get killed by sets so much that I believe I'm probably the most profitable guy IN THE WORLD to mine against. Any advice you can give us would be appreciated.

I'm probably the most profitable guy IN THE WORLD to mine against

No thats me!! I get mined so much at FR im thinking of quitting FR, Please guys help !!!!

Hey guys, I'm not a FR player but maybe I could offer some advice.

A very common line taken by players with a set or any other big hand at the micros is the check call on the flop and the check min-raise on the turn, at least in the six max games. I would assume that it's found at FR too.

I would also look at how often they cold call raises. If its very low, say the guy is a 13/10 type of guy, then I would put him on a pocket pair pretty often. If this guy raises me on a K73 flop, he doesn't have K7 or K3, or KK (assuming he would three bet). He probably wouldn't do this with a single king as he is pretty nitty and doesn't want to get his money in bad. I would always fold to this type of move by this player, unless I hit a set myself or top two as well, especially on an AQ7 type of board.

If its more of a taggy player then it can be a little more complicated. Some of the more aggressive tags check-raise big draws at micro stakes, but not many. Some might just bluff. If I know a guy is capable of check raising all in on a flush draw or a big single pair and I have AA on a Ks7s3d board, I'm going to look him up. I would imagine those players are rarer at the FR games though.

Fold to Cbet is important here too. If you find yourself losing big pots with hands like AK in early position on an A73 board, just start playing for a little more pot control.If you have a guy who folds 75% of the time to flop Cbets and he calls that board, he is either sitting on a weaker ace or possibly a set. You could try to check behind on the turn to keep the pot small and just call a river bet if a seemingly harmless card hits, or bet after his check for value.

Really it's all about playing the player and not your cards. AA/KK and other big hands might look pretty but if the nitty 13/10 guy is raising you, it's probably no good. Being able to realize when your behind and fold is a key to becoming a better player.

Good luck at the tables!

Thanks for taking the time to answer, very informative, so thanks again.

Thanks for taking the time to answer, very informative, so thanks again. I think at full ring, you get set mined so much at the micros, villians do it without the correct odds, with the correct odds, or just for the hell of it, you need to be expecting it, however by expecting it, it makes you perhaps too cautious on the flop and its easy too miss value beuause your frightened of monsters under the bed.

I guess the way forward is too stay or get to one step ahead, practice hand reading, replay hands where you lost to a set, see if you notice any tendencies in the way the hand was played etc etc, how the nits play sets, how the lags and fish play them etc.

One way to counter serial set miners, sOOted connector calllers at micros w/ bigger pfr. At least 4BB, since they will miss their set 7/8 flops you dont want to be letting them mine cheap. in my experience at micro fr games you dont lose many callers if you pfr 4x or 5x bb consistenly. Is this pretty transparent, yes, but not to most microplayers.

Cudaflo also made a great point about getting cold called by nits like 13/10. Looking at hand probabilities, odds of pp is 1/16 or about 6%, so if you figure they 3 bet AA KK QQ and maybe AK and their cold call range is a bit tighter than their pfr range maybe 8%. That leaves 22-JJ around 5% and AK AQ AJ for another 3% which makes up virtually all of their cold call range. Their postfloop play is pretty face up since they will play fit or fold, they pp will fold to cbets W/ A or K hi or 2 paint, especially to 2
barrels. They will never raise A hi unless they have AK, Aces up or a set. They will never raise postflop w/ overs and typically just fold Ax that missed to a cbet. They generally just call down hands that flop an overpr like 77 88 99 JJ. So this makes it pretty easy to not pay thr nit

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