Hi guys, what do you think about this DB? The guy (31/20) who cold called the flop do just fold 50% to cbet and 100% to DB. Just got 165 hands on him. The initial raiser from CO raises first in 20% from that poss.

Boss Media - €0.50 NL - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (BTN): €65.33
SB: €129.16
BB: €52.25
UTG: €7.95
CO: €57.59

SB posts SB €0.25, BB posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (€0.75) Hero has Ac 7s

fold, CO raises to €1.50, Hero raises to €4.50, SB calls €4.25, fold, CO calls €3.00

Flop: (€14.00, 3 players) 3h 9d 3c
SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets €10.50, SB calls €10.50, fold

Turn: (€35.00, 2 players) 8h
SB checks, Hero bets €26.25, fold

Hero wins €33.25

my initial thought is it is a good spot and is really pretty mandatory if you are going to 3 bet A7o
i think it folds a lot of better Ax and also possibly some pp 88 and down from some players that dont want to call turn and be faced w/ river bet especially if an A K Q hit. it also protects vs other Kx Qx Jx or other hands that would get a free look if you check behind as well as not inviting a river donk bluff that would be tuff spot to call w/ A7

it would be nice to have more hands to reinforce the db fold trend, but you go w/ the info you got

nh
hg

Yea, that was what I thought. Good standard DB spot in this kind of situation. When I did post I didnt have the time to try to figure out what better hand would fold etc, but u did that perfect HG. The analysis u gave was about what I was thinking in this situation. I will postsome more analysis in the next hand I post. Would be nice to keep this topic up and post here pretty often. I will try to! And then not only successful ones.
Thanks!

/Johan

hi johan
always good to hear my ramblings made some sense, i am working very hard on this part of my game and hoping it is improving. So as is my nature i will post some of the spots where i chose well and not so well and hopefully they will be helpful.

One thing 1 forgot to mention above is whether a 2 barrel is best play in same spot if you have AK instead of A7?
any thoughts?

gl
hg

HG
I think I would DB with AK aswell. Just to get rid of the lower pocketpairs. Protect against the Q,J,T. And if I hit a K or A I will prob get atleast a half potbet with me on the river? And he also could got some draw on the turn I want him to pay me for. Hearts and TJ. What do you say?


Johan

i would db any 2 hearts and any JT hand snce many of these hands could be trailing better air hands like kj qj etc that i want to fold and i have big equity if called,some pocket pairs might fold as well al though i xpect to get called some time by pairs and will have to 3 barrel or give up depending on river card.

if i get raised big i muck, if a small raise i might be priced in, i might also muck small flush draw

i would db AT AJ every time, but occasionally check AQ AK depending on opponent if they were a serial Ax player that chased on flop since i am possibly/probably ahead and they will payoff if we both improve but fold to a db, also Ax chasers tend to be stubborn w/ pp on dry/non paint boards so will frequently call a db w 77 or lower pp

hg

Oh I ment that HE HAD two higher hearts or Axs or TJ and was wanting to see the river.
And I would db those aswell if I got them in my hand.

This was interesting u said.

"i would db AT AJ every time, but occasionally check AQ AK depending on opponent if they were a serial Ax player that chased on flop since i am possibly/probably ahead and they will payoff if we both improve but fold to a db, also Ax chasers tend to be stubborn w/ pp on dry/non paint boards so will frequently call a db w 77 or lower pp"

Never thinked about that in that way.

/Johan

my thinking, is that the 2 main purposes of betting is to get value from worse calling or get better to fold.
Most players 100nl and down may peel flop AT-AK, but fold all Ax to db unless they have a draw or better on turn. Betting worse Ax can get better kickers to fold as well as weak pairs, while the AQ or AK dont benefit nearly as much from worse Ax folding.

i am not sure it is a perfect application of the betting theory, but it working pretty well for me so far.

hg

Im totally with you HG. I will think about this when I play and try it out if I find this type of situation.

I will post another db situation from my last loosingsessions. I think my latest downs has been because of me practicing DBs and TBs. Now its time for sleep!

JohanW

its an interesting spot... since a 3 bet cold call indicates a very specific range in my experience, normally 99 TT, JJ, AQ maybe AJ/AKo. I would assume he 4 bets AKs if you are 3 betting light on the button. CO range is probably low/mid pocket pairs getting priced in to set mine.

So the flop is really dry and a cbet is good, looks strong into 2 players, but when the SB calls with the CO to act behind I would almost always put him on an overpair which is very unlikely to fold if he knows you 3 bet light on the button. I doubt he is ever calling with backdoor flush draws on the flop etc. I guess its player dependent as to whether he peels the flop with AK/AQ, but I would almost always check back the turn. Leaky?? Maybe im being too specific with his range?

I suppose if villain had weird low fold to flop c bet + high fold turn c bet I may DB but maybe bet 1/2pot on turn since it probably wont make a difference, he folds overcards and calls overpairs. Do you think he folds TT here?

Also I think id be more inclined to DB AK here since we have more equity with double the outs against his JJ/TT