Hand review...expected situation, unexpected result.

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Hand review...expected situation, unexpected result.

Postby NotNuts » Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:32 pm

A hand history an my thoughts follow....comments?

***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Full Tilt)
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, October 05, 08:56:53 ET 2010
Table Orovile (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $10.00 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 22, 3B: 0, AF: 3.0, Hands: 23
Seat 2: Hero ( $18.96 USD ) - VPIP: 26, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 2.6, Hands: 32469 still loose but the majority of these hands are from before joining OSP
Seat 3: Player3 ( $7.35 USD ) - VPIP: 69, PFR: 27, 3B: 0, AF: 2.1, Hands: 64 Villian
Seat 4: Player4 ( $3.50 USD ) - VPIP: 7, PFR: 7, 3B: 13, AF: NaN, Hands: 15
Seat 5: Player5 ( $10.05 USD ) - VPIP: 19, PFR: 13, 3B: 10, AF: Infinity, Hands: 52
Player1 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 9c 8h ]
Player3 calls [$0.10 USD]
Player4 folds
Player5 folds
Player1 folds
Hero raises [$0.20 USD]min bet OOP against a whale, can I justify it by saying I'm opening my range? No! How deep do I want to go with 98o?
Player3 calls [$0.20 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, 7h, 9s ] Lucky me, top pair weak kicker on a drawy board
Hero checks
Player3 bets [$0.65 USD]seen him do the pot size bet alot and then fold to the RR
Hero raises [$1.80 USD] lets test him.
Player3 raises [$6.40 USD]OK, whats he gotÉ slowplayed overpair, overcards, straight and flush draws, trips, two pair and 9x with a better kicker.Or nothing, given nothing and 9x lower kicker is all I beat, a fold is in order, correctÉ
Hero calls [$5.25 USD] but it`s top pair
Player3 shows [9h, Js ]
Hero shows [9c, 8h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 8d ]
Hero wins $13.77 USD from main pot


A positive result doesn`t make up for poor play. I haven`t done PS on this yet but I am sure that I was far behind most of the way on this hand, regardless of the villians fishy nature. After all, they are a loud to catch as well, or even have a hand . This is a big leak for me. I still like opening my range against the fish but I played it poorly here and now feel that I should have folded on the push. Even though he is a fish, my odds are terrible and I only had 3 outs with running 10`s.

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Re: Hand review...expected situation, unexpected result.

Postby hockeyguy » Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:36 pm

operator errorr
see next try
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Re: Hand review...expected situation, unexpected result.

Postby hockeyguy » Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:51 pm

a couple comments

min raise oop is not good w/ any hand at micros
with a weak hand it puts more money in the pot when you really want to play hand as cheap as possible, it also invites aggressive or observant players to reraise which you can't call
If you had a big pair like AA KK it just gives players a cheap chance to out draw you and gives them maximum implied odds. the limp/mn raise with big pairs is far less profitable at micros than ABC value raising

If you want to open up your range do it in POSITION. We have all had lags cal a pfr vs our AK and then call a Cbet on a flop like J68 and HATED IT. Notice a wider possible range AND POSITION is waht made life miserable. Would you be much happier if you had 89?

Weak hands rarely win big pots or put opponents in tough situations oop, they do just they opposite putting yourself in difficult spots as your HH demonstrated.

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Re: Hand review...expected situation, unexpected result.

Postby atta22 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:58 pm

hockeyguy is right - the min-raise OOP preflop accomplishes nothing except to bloat the pot unnecessarily since he's not folding to the minraise. It also gives away that you likely don't have a big hand - would you do that with AA/KK? Likely not.

Then on the flop - again your check-raise bloats the pot unnecessarily with a marginal made-hand out of position. Top-pair no-kicker there is not a hand I want to get all the money in on the flop with. I like a check-call and re-evaluate on the turn. The "test" is not necessary - you have a decent hand but by no means a monster - try to get to showdown with it.

Hope this helps!
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