How do I "Not Pay-off the Donks"?

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Re: How do I "Not Pay-off the Donks"?

Postby hockeyguy » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:52 am

back in the day, SnGs was all i played for a year or so
PATIENCE IS CRITICAL
3 well timed hands can win it
1 impatient hand can ruin it
i generally just played 4-6 at a time and let the donks bust each other
then once it got about 5 way it wasnt hard to finish in the $$$$$$$$$$$
don't pick on big or short staks, they both call push a lot
raise vs middle size/ similar stack size, they waiting for a bettor spot
they fold a lot
tget to op 3, dont force it
then go aggro and the $$$ rolls in

a good hint
1 or 2 or 3 tablers are loose and adjust accordingly, they bet big & little sOOted, A rag, sOOted connectors etc- 99 has them crushed most times
big multitabler 8+ SnGs are tight, beware their bets/raises, big cards and pocket pairs- leads to a lot of coin flips 2 overs vs a pocket pair= no value, except when double up puts you in great position to place first, eg 3 left and 3rd vs 2nd stack or reversed could give big lead over other stacks and knouck or criple an opponent

peace out
hg

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Re: How do I "Not Pay-off the Donks"?

Postby cudaflu » Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:14 pm

Hey guys, I was wondering what you all thought of this hand.


***** Hand History for Game 3214292569 ***** (Merge)
$10.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, March 02, 02:38:30 ET 2011
Table Lima (32142925) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Cudaflu ( $20.47 USD )
Seat 2: BingoBingoflushed ( $10.40 USD )
Seat 3: WinCashPoker ( $4.64 USD )
Seat 4: reegs55 ( $17.03 USD )
Seat 5: Emerico ( $10.10 USD )
Seat 6: kindascary ( $10.00 USD )
BingoBingoflushed posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
WinCashPoker posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Cudaflu [ 5h Ah ]
reegs55 calls [$0.10 USD]
Emerico folds
Cudaflu raises [$0.50 USD]
BingoBingoflushed folds
WinCashPoker folds
reegs55 calls [$0.40 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8h, 8c, 9h ]
reegs55 checks
Cudaflu bets [$0.57 USD]
reegs55 calls [$0.57 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ac ]
reegs55 checks
Cudaflu bets [$1.24 USD]
reegs55 calls [$1.24 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Qh ]
reegs55 raises [$14.72 USD]
Cudaflu calls [$14.72 USD]
reegs55 shows [9s, 8d ]
Cudaflu shows [5h, Ah ]
reegs55 wins $32.50 USD from main pot

Standard raise and Cbet.

On the turn I figured I had the best hand but didn't want to bloat the pot so I only put out a 1/2 pot bet.

He was a 57/10 guy. I know that fish usually overbet the nuts on the river, but was I wrong in thinking that he could be doing this with other hands that I beat? I was guessing he could have any 8x, or any smaller flush. I'm getting terrible odds to call, but when I saw the river I was thinking there was really no way I could fold.

Your thoughts?
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Re: How do I "Not Pay-off the Donks"?

Postby hockeyguy » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:35 am

a tuff result for sure, and generally i just put this into the cooler file and move along.

that being said
the odds he flops a boat are just so small (about 1/200 or so)that it is pretty hard (and a bad play)to only give him credit for a boat w/ 89 or 99 given his stats he could easily show up w/ a worse flush or JT or 8x, especially the way he played it call call , donk push, your hand is actually pretty well disguised. his overbet donk is a horrible play as it makes it pretty easy to get away from Ax which is going to be your most common holding. Just as you cant narrow his range to a flopped boat or some other boat like A8, no way he can put you on a rivered flush, let alone the nut flush which is going to call a massive donk overbet shove

when i see 57% vpip i assume he plays a ton of sOOted crap, which is certainly true, so no way i can fold to his donk shove when flush hits. You got unlucky on this hand when you hit your hand since if you just have AA88Q it is a pretty easy muck since calling 15 to split pot and win 1.25 is so unlikely to be +EV in long run. i would just chalk this one up to a cranky poker god

hg
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Re: How do I "Not Pay-off the Donks"?

Postby Mattutaylor » Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:09 pm

hockeyguy wrote:
big multitabler 8+ SnGs are tight


O rly? :P
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