Kings are the Devil

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Re: Kings are the Devil

Postby sponger428 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:10 pm

New guy here, hopefully my question is not irritating. The advice then is to play the KK unless your read is your opponent is a A,X type of player? Long run its a profitable play?

Im still in the micros, the variance seems to be a bit higher there for me. Seems im getting beat not by an ace, but suited connectors. Should the preflop raise be higher to try and remove these types of players from the flop?
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Re: Kings are the Devil

Postby hockeyguy » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:04 pm

sponger428 wrote:New guy here, hopefully my question is not irritating. The advice then is to play the KK unless your read is your opponent is a A,X type of player? Long run its a profitable play?

Im still in the micros, the variance seems to be a bit higher there for me. Seems im getting beat not by an ace, but suited connectors. Should the preflop raise be higher to try and remove these types of players from the flop?
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Re: Kings are the Devil

Postby hockeyguy » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:42 pm

first of all welcome

secondly i hope you never feel like there is a question you cant ask, i have gotten nothing but great advice here to help me improve and never felt anything but a friendly and helpful tone.

I asssume you mostly mean KK when a flop is A hi. Very annoying of course. When i was playing 10nl and working my way up i generally made a bit smaller Cbet around 2/3 pot vs most players if it was a dry flop like A96 3 tone. Then i would reevaluate on flop if i got called

I might check call after that vs an aggressive player that would bet a non A hand like JJ or 98.
In theory there is no value betting an A hi flop since you assume only an Ax hand will call, but think about how many players call you down at these limits when you have Ax on the same flop, essentially you have the same thing here, An overpair vs some other raggy hand and can get a lot of value in the long by betting

i would typically fold the flop or turn if i got bet into or raised by a nit or passive type that would never bet any thing less than a pair of aces

The one exception is if the opponent was very short stacked like 1/3 stack or less, they will try to represent the A with almost anything smaller pairs KJ no pair no draw etc. If they have 1/2 stack or more is more opponent dependent

if i bet and get raised i generally folded even to a very aggro player as they usually had a weak Ax and were testing to see if i had their Ace beat, which sucks when you have KK, but is a gold mine when you have AK AQ since these types never fold their Ax hand so they just pay more by raising when you have an A and fold out your worse hands when you dont

If the flop was A98 2 tone there are so many draws i would typically bet the turn again as long as it didnt complete a draw, massive value here since if they have a draw they will never fold since they think you have an A and will pay off, which is of course not true.

If i got raised on an Ace hi drawy flop i would fold vs most players since if they have an Ace they want to protect their hand vs a draw AND if they have a draw they don't expect an Ax hand to fold so your KK is usually beat bad as they may have Aces up or a set. Most micro players don't make mistakes of overaggression so a bet usually means they have a big hand

I am more likely to check call out of position vs an aggr player on a drawy board

I typically snap fold vs any nitty or passive player that bet or raised me, I tried too many times to reraise and get them to fold virtually never worked out well. Dont always fear the worse, most times it isnt the case

obviously it is simpler to play this in position, but if i have KK preflop i am playing it regardless so i end up oop sometimes.

As far as raising bigger to get out sooted connectors, i just raised stand 4x bb or 4x previous pfr since i am huge fav over sooted connector hands and dont want then to fold

I still use this same basic plan at 100nl and 200nl

hope this helps
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