Hey guys,

I've just sent over my next video... by popular request I am doing a series about Multi-table sngs, specifically the 180 and 45 man's on pokerstars.

Now, here's the thing. I'm just unsure of the quality of the video really. I don't mean the sound, or video quality... by the actual content. I don't know why, I'm sure it will be good and I really hope you can all take something from it.

I don't know how I could improve it as of yet... I don't even know that I will need to, thats the thing!

Maybe I'm just being silly, but if you guys could comment on it after you watch it, I would really appreciate the critcism and please let me know what you would like to see me do in future videos.

This video is just using the hand history replayer to go through a $12 turbo 180 man that I won. There wasn't really too many hands that I had to dive into and strip down play by play really, and the content is somewhat similar to my $215 turbo MTT video. I know that video went down well, so maybe I have nothing to worry about!

Ya, so anyway, let me know as soon as it is up and you have watched it!!!

Thought it was a very good video. I did notice that you got lucky a few times on turn or river cards. Seems like when I do the same I'm the one that gets elimated. Oh well, thats poker. Great video. Keep them coming.

I'd like to see you get into a Rush tournament on Full Tilt too. Not sure if you can video that type of tourny though? If not it would be great to hear what your thoughts are on this type of play.

Thanks.

The way I say it, is that getting lucky on rivers or whatever in these tournaments is necessary. And to further divulge into that, the more tournaments your play (ie. volume), the more your better hands are going to hold and the more your worser hands will suckout.

But also, I think that if you are making the right push, or the right call (especially deep in these) then the suckouts are deserved.

Lets take for example, you are down to 5 big blinds on the hijack and ship with 47s, to get called by the big blind with AKo. Your only a 39% underdog, so you are gonna come out on top a lot of the time.

Yet lets say, that you aren't willing to shove these type of hands in this situation, and you wait for a premium, ie QJo or A6s and your opponent again calls with AK... well your a bigger dog. With A6s, a 30% underdog.

Hopefully you will see where I am coming from.

Matt,
Thanks for replying so quickly. I do see where you're coming from and I appreciate your input. Just get frustrated at times. I'm relativly new (6 -8 months) to online poker and have had some success, and like everyone else, some failures too. I think this site is going to greatly improve my game and I look forward to your future videos.

Thanks again!

Hi Matt,

Had a small break from poker and the outstandingpoker website and just starting to get back into it, hence the late reply.

Great video, confirms what I have been thinking you neet to do in these so thats always a good thing . I think I am folding a bit more than I should be so I will be starting to look out for more 'push' spots than I normally do when I play again. The hardest thing is knowing the push/fold ranges which I think a lot of new players will find counter intuative and difficult to do knowing they could be illiminated or just thinking that if they push with a weaker holding it is the wrong play so they wait hoping to get the stronger hands (still find that I tighten up too much at times and need to give myself a good kick lol!).

I think the best way to approach the newer videos on this format is just play a lot of tables and no need to go into great detail on any given situation as you covered the basic strategy in your last vid (by this I mean dont worry about a lot going on if you 4 table etc, we always have a rewind button to see whats going on if we miss something hehe). It would make us more aware of what the (near) optimal push/fold ranges are if we see a good number of tables over x amount of vids if you get what I mean. I think this is the main downfall of most training sites, although the principles are explained the sample sizes are small so you dont get the actual extent that you can push with (or cant push with in some cases). Nothing can beat seeing someone who is profitable in a game first hand and in time we would get a good feel for correct push/fold ranges and situations. Sure, it isnt going to be exact ranges but I think it would help some of us stop folding way to many hands in the later stages (the 47 example you gave I might have actually folded for example).

Look forward to seeing more vids on this format





Gon3Fishing.

Glad you enjoyed the video. And I agree. By far the number one reason players with a mid amount of poker knowledge can't win at these games is that they don't know there push fold ranges and play way too scared.

As for the video formats... I think both have their benefits. I think live video's are great fun to watch, and also fun to record. They are also decent for the pro's recording as they are still (hopefully) profiting, whilst at the same time earning money for making a video. However, going over tournaments in the replayer can be far more benefitial because you can stray into more depth about hands, without having to worry about timing out.

Let me take for example a private coaching session I did yesterday. We were looking at HU sngs, and I encountered a very interesting hand during live play. Blinds were 15/30 and we were both around starting stack of $1500.

The general gist of it was that I 3 bet to 270 after the button open raised to 90.

The flop came J 8 5 with 2 hearts, and I checked. The button checked back.

The turn came 4h and I checked again. The button made a bet of 190 and obviously with my nut flush draw getting such good odds I called.

The river bought a non heart 8 and I checked. The button bet 420 into and 880 pot and I tanked and called. He showed KQ with the Kh.

During the hand, I kind of semi explained my reasoning to the student, yet due to timebank etc, I couldn't really disect the hand with him. I basically made the point that continuation betting on this board isn't great because of the texture. I said that I was just wanting to get to showdown as cheaply as possible and kind of explained my reasoning for the river call.

After the match had finished, I loaded the replay of the hand up and went through it from start to finish.

I obviously check the flop because of board texture, but when he checks behind, we can take from his range a number of hands. He was a solid enough player and this was a $55 buy in so it is extremely unlikely he is slowplaying JJ, 88 or 55 on this board. The same goes with random J hands such as AJ-J8

Along with these hands, I felt safe to take away from his range anything lower than J8 and A8 downwards along with random 5 hands.

Also, I felt I could take away hands containing 2 hearts, 910 or 67. Again, I felt it highly unlikely he call with these preflop (with the exception of hands such as KhQh which would have bet the flop) or even if he did I thought he would be the flop. Why? Well he knows I am a solid player who with a decent hand, ie. overpair or pair of jacks or even flush draws etc, I would be the flop.

So we then come to the turn 4h. Why bet here? The only hand I actually see betting at this point is pocket 4s. Again, could be unlikely he called the 3b with 44, as generally calling 3bs with small pp's vs an opponent who isn't 3 betting way too much can be a mistake 50bbs deep as you are pretty much set mining. Obviously we are still calling with our nut flush draw getting great odds.

The river 8 meant nothing really. As we have said already, not many 8X hands are in his range. I did actually say to my student on the turn that the Khx was a possibility.

I was also asked why I wasn't considering other pocket pairs. And I explained like this -

Pocket 6s upwards in this situation, I think, shove pre flop a lot of the time. Pocket 5s downwards I think fold more often than not.

Even still, we have discounted anything above 10s really as they would likely bet the scary flop.

Any other pair, on this type of board, played by a thinking player, will be just happy enough to get to showdown.


So you should be able to see the difference here. Even though you can't see it in video format, you can see the difference between how I could explain it live, and how I can thoroughly explain it through a replayer.

Hi Matt,

Valid point. Another approach is to (like you say in the vid) play and record a live session just giving a quick overview of what you are thinking in the live situation but also note any intersting spots where you feel you might have been able to make other plays. Then do a 10 minute or so review at the end of the video in the replayer to see if you would have done anything different for whatever reason.

Also, played a couple 180 man games myself last nite and got to say that I found I was able to push a lot more in certain spots now I know what to look for. Even though I busted out 26th in one and only managed 18th in the other (luck didnt hold ) I got myself into better positions due to the more aggressive play in the mid stage.

Lastly, I noticed on sharkscope that you have played 500 odd of the $12 180 mans for a very nice profit. How long did it take you to get through that many games if you dont mind me asking?

Looking forward to more vids on the 45-180 man mtts

Cheers,




Gon3Fishing.

I've gotta say it didnt take that long. The 45 mans and 180 mans aren't my main game so I don't play that many... its because when I do play them i usually play between 20-30 tables at a time.

So, other than the odd one here or there, I would say maybe 10-20 days.

Mattutaylor wrote:Glad you enjoyed the video. And I agree. By far the number one reason players with a mid amount of poker knowledge can't win at these games is that they don't know there push fold ranges and play way too scared.

As for the video formats... I think both have their benefits. I think live video's are great fun to watch, and also fun to record. They are also decent for the pro's recording as they are still (hopefully) profiting, whilst at the same time earning money for making a video. However, going over tournaments in the replayer can be far more benefitial because you can stray into more depth about hands, without having to worry about timing out.

Let me take for example a private coaching session I did yesterday. We were looking at HU sngs, and I encountered a very interesting hand during live play. Blinds were 15/30 and we were both around starting stack of $1500.

The general gist of it was that I 3 bet to 270 after the button open raised to 90.

The flop came J 8 5 with 2 hearts, and I checked. The button checked back.

The turn came 4h and I checked again. The button made a bet of 190 and obviously with my nut flush draw getting such good odds I called.

The river bought a non heart 8 and I checked. The button bet 420 into and 880 pot and I tanked and called. He showed KQ with the Kh.

During the hand, I kind of semi explained my reasoning to the student, yet due to timebank etc, I couldn't really disect the hand with him. I basically made the point that continuation betting on this board isn't great because of the texture. I said that I was just wanting to get to showdown as cheaply as possible and kind of explained my reasoning for the river call.

After the match had finished, I loaded the replay of the hand up and went through it from start to finish.

I obviously check the flop because of board texture, but when he checks behind, we can take from his range a number of hands. He was a solid enough player and this was a $55 buy in so it is extremely unlikely he is slowplaying JJ, 88 or 55 on this board. The same goes with random J hands such as AJ-J8

Along with these hands, I felt safe to take away from his range anything lower than J8 and A8 downwards along with random 5 hands.

Also, I felt I could take away hands containing 2 hearts, 910 or 67. Again, I felt it highly unlikely he call with these preflop (with the exception of hands such as KhQh which would have bet the flop) or even if he did I thought he would be the flop. Why? Well he knows I am a solid player who with a decent hand, ie. overpair or pair of jacks or even flush draws etc, I would be the flop.

So we then come to the turn 4h. Why bet here? The only hand I actually see betting at this point is pocket 4s. Again, could be unlikely he called the 3b with 44, as generally calling 3bs with small pp's vs an opponent who isn't 3 betting way too much can be a mistake 50bbs deep as you are pretty much set mining. Obviously we are still calling with our nut flush draw getting great odds.

The river 8 meant nothing really. As we have said already, not many 8X hands are in his range. I did actually say to my student on the turn that the Khx was a possibility.

I was also asked why I wasn't considering other pocket pairs. And I explained like this -

Pocket 6s upwards in this situation, I think, shove pre flop a lot of the time. Pocket 5s downwards I think fold more often than not.

Even still, we have discounted anything above 10s really as they would likely bet the scary flop.

Any other pair, on this type of board, played by a thinking player, will be just happy enough to get to showdown.


So you should be able to see the difference here. Even though you can't see it in video format, you can see the difference between how I could explain it live, and how I can thoroughly explain it through a replayer.

Thanks you for the post.

I am not sure what more you could really add to the video and the 180 T stagy.

Pay attention to others play
Notice weak player
Save or as you say Preserver chip for double up
Chip in All in (is almost all stack) _ Makes other player think of Pot Odds
Fold Equity - You have against good with others with same stack as you (SS not good)
Chip in 3 hand in row asking for trouble
"If ever unsure of situation- Shove All in"
etc... etc.... Got to leave some stuff out so others will watch all the video

But agreed got really luck in spot, but that is poker also. Luck is factor.