mscimitar is a 13/8 agg1 on the flop 0 on turn and inf on the river tight passive player over 62 hands goes to showdown 44% wins 100% but thats a small hand sample, after seeing his hand i played correctly on the flop and turn but am i correct in still betting the turn becouse i could be against a set in this situation, and am i correct in calling the river bet because a flush draw must be a small part of his range?

Full Tilt Poker Game #25214724924: Table Ready (6 max) - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 15:37:19 ET - 2010/11/02
Seat 1: wills2864 ($12.52)
Seat 2: Mscimitar ($10)
Seat 3: BFalcone ($12.98)
Seat 4: pattony ($8.39)
Seat 5: lackbitsch ($5.27)
Seat 6: RAWaysem ($10.40)
BFalcone posts the small blind of $0.05
pattony posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to wills2864 [Kd Ad]
lackbitsch folds
RAWaysem folds
wills2864 raises to $0.40
Mscimitar calls $0.40
BFalcone folds
pattony folds
*** FLOP *** [Ah 9s 2d]
wills2864 bets $0.70
Mscimitar calls $0.70
*** TURN *** [Ah 9s 2d] [2s]
wills2864 has 15 seconds left to act
wills2864 bets $1.60
Mscimitar calls $1.60
*** RIVER *** [Ah 9s 2d 2s] [3s]
wills2864 checks
Mscimitar bets $3.45
wills2864 has 15 seconds left to act
wills2864 has requested TIME
wills2864 calls $3.45
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Mscimitar shows [7s As] a flush, Ace high
wills2864 mucks
Mscimitar wins the pot ($11.62) with a flush, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $12.45 | Rake $0.83
Board: [Ah 9s 2d 2s 3s]
Seat 1: wills2864 mucked [Kd Ad] - two pair, Aces and Twos
Seat 2: Mscimitar (button) showed [7s As] and won ($11.62) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 3: BFalcone (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: pattony (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: lackbitsch didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: RAWaysem didn't bet (folded)

ille be gratefull for your coments will

Tough spot and I don't fault you for calling the river, it's not an easy fold. Thinking about it though, with the guy being 13/8 and passive, I think the correct move on the river is a fold. He knows you're pretty strong given your line and you have to ask yourself on the river, "what's he bluffing with?". I can't really think of any hands that are bluffing on the river unless he decides to turn a made hand (ie. pocket pair) into a bluff which is extremely unlikely. So by that logic, he must be value betting. Then you have to ask yourself, "can he be value betting worse?" - I'd say the answer is probably (although not certainly) no. Perhaps he'd value bet AQ on the river, but pretty unlikely given his passivity - he'd probably just check it down.

So I think all signs lead to a fold, as difficult as it is.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Tim

cheers tim i think i make that call far to often, which adds up to a pretty big leak i suppose.

One pair hands can be quite a bitch in situations like this, it isnt easy to fold tptk

obviously i am not good enough to argue with Tim's point about passive players not betting
w/ worse. I have used his advice and observations quite successfully

i would add vs a known aggressive player you have invited a bluff by river check
and a fold would be wrong most times as they will bet weaker Aces or second pair
or worse type hands. Versus more aggressive players an occaisional check still likely
gets value and mixes up your play, which is the point of mixing up your play.


But my question is why no value bet on river vs a tight passive opponent, ? The A9223 board doesnt hit many hands that beat you A9, A2, 999, 2222 typically raise turn. So I think AK tptk loses a lot of value over long run on hands like this by checking vs tight passive players. I think most times you get called w/ weaker Aces that tight passive wont raise on flop/turn or value bet on river after you check. If you bet and get raised. Tim's advice vs a TP player X 2 applies. they dont raise w/ less than 2 pr vs pfr/Cbetter.


Also lots of time a 2/3 pot bet that folds to a raise is a bit cheaper than a check call of a bigger bet that you may have induced. Plus a river bet has a chance to get value from worse and leads to more certain clarity when a tighty raises you. A fold to a tighty raise is rarely wrong (with 1 pair) or annoying or fodder for second guessing


thats my 2 cents
hg

hockeyguy is right - I didn't realize he bet after you checked on the river. I was under the incorrect assumption that he lead into you.

Definitely bet your AK for value there on the river - he's calling with worse aces all day, much more often than with backdoor flushes/boats so it'll be profitable in the longrun.

As played though, when you checked the river, I think a fold is correct.