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Tournament question

Postby filobetto » Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:13 pm

For mattutaylor or any tourney players;

I don't play many tournaments. I have won some nice money a few times, but overall I find them to be a bit of a bore and a slight drain on the bankroll. However, I do get in the mood for one occasionally.

Here is the scenario;

$2 rebuy. All rebuys are done and tourney has been going a few hours. Blinds are at 300/600. A very tight player has only 4200 in chips. He goes all in UTG. A very loose aggressive bananna eating drunk monkey with a loaded pistol and 30000 in chips calls the all in w/J3 off suit.

The question is, is this the correct play from the bananna eating drunk monkey with a loaded pistol? LOL

I see this similar scenario play out in tourneys time and time again and am wondering if those little monkeys really are making the right play after all. I realize it is not even 25% of their stack in this case, but I can't help thinking that it is not the correct play except maybe heads up at the final table or something.
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Re: Tournament question

Postby atta22 » Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:26 am

The drunk monkey is definitely wrong to call any portion of his stack with J3o against a tight aggressive UTG push. He's just super drunk and clicking buttons because of his stack.
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Re: Tournament question

Postby filobetto » Sat Nov 06, 2010 10:58 pm

It's what I figured, I hope no one minded my player analogy in the scenario. But I really do see it happen a lot in Tourneys. People will call the guy a donk or other names and he will simply say he had to do it based on stack size
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Re: Tournament question

Postby Mattutaylor » Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:28 am

Ye, first things first you can rule out any kind of Meta reason for the shove seeing as its just a $2 rebuy.

If you saw this in a $100 rebuy or something you could maybe kind of attribute it to meta-game strategy. Even still I don't think it would be profitable.

Thats not to say that tight UTG players shove is going to be a particularly big hand... if he's a thinking player, he is probably using his image and position to his advantage... however you can kind of dismiss this aswell, because if like I suggest he is a thinking player, he must be aware that this is a $2 rebuy and the rest of the table is unlikely to be thinking on the same level as him.

And then you go into pot odds... Firstly, you left out the banana eating drunken monkeys position. If he was outside of the blinds, 1000000000% definitely spewy.

But if he's on the big blind... 900 in the pot before ante's - (ante 50x9 = 450) so total pot prior to shove = 1350
+ 4200 = 5550.

If he's on the big blind he's calling 3600 to win 5550. Just over 1.5-1 pot odds. So if you take into account UTG's range, still this is a horrendous spot to put any extra chips in, especially with a hand like J3o.
If you change either the hand, or the size of the pot, you can maybe begin to justify calling.
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