Hi Hg and Phil,

I enjoyed the video. It brought out some good points.

1 hand that stuck out for me was when Phil had QQ. He made a set and the villian 3 bet Phil's C-bet. In that situation, what I like to do is just call and check the turn. I always think if a guy 3 bets my flop c-bet I want to give him the oppurtunity to bet the turn too. It seemed, like there was a missed oppurtunity there for maybe getting his stack.

As it urned out Phil boated on the river and led out and the villain folded. I can't remember how you guys played the turn on the hand.

filobetto wrote:Hi Hg and Phil,

I enjoyed the video. It brought out some good points.

1 hand that stuck out for me was when Phil had QQ. He made a set and the villian 3 bet Phil's C-bet. In that situation, what I like to do is just call and check the turn. I always think if a guy 3 bets my flop c-bet I want to give him the oppurtunity to bet the turn too. It seemed, like there was a missed oppurtunity there for maybe getting his stack.

As it urned out Phil boated on the river and led out and the villain folded. I can't remember how you guys played the turn on the hand.

Thanks for comment

Firsstly i am glad you found a good point or two in video, and i love the comment. The reason i wanted to do a "sweating" video is to promote people thinking about whether the way the hands were played were a good/best way to play them, or if there was a possible better alternative. Once people get in that habit in their own game i think they will see a big improvement in their results.


my basic plan when i hit a monster on the flop is to Cbet if i was the pfr regardless of position, even with top set. the reason being i want to start building the pot if villian has a hand. Even the dullest blade in the knife drawer will using respect a check raise, also the micro players are guilty of FPS(fancy play syndrome) and FPS thinking so if you slowplay they tend to get suspicious. Are their certain times vs certain players a little sloplay will get more value, absolutely, but i need a very specific reason to try sloplay since most times the abc betting is more likely to get max value.

i dont like to check in front of a player no matter what since it gives the possibility of him getting a free card, i have been meaning to do a power point slide on this point, so lets look at the math now

25nl pfr in heads up pot
player A raise to 1.00
player b calls 1.00
pot is 2.00

scenario 1 Two med size bets after flop action
flop bet 1.5
player b call
pot now 5.00

Two med size bets after flop action
turn bet 3.oo
player b calls
pot 11.00
river
bet is 6.00
player b calls
pot is 23.00


pot is 2.00 preflop

scenario 2 one check and a big river bet
flop bet 1.5
player b call
pot now 5.00

one check and a big river bet
turn bet 0.00
player b checks behind
pot is still 5.00
river
overbet is 7.00
player b calls
pot is 21.00

2 things to keep in mind, first the series of moderate bets builds a bigger pot
secondly which is a more likely scenario that a player will call down with a medium strength hand
i would say scenario 1 where the frog boils slowly and feels pot commited to call river since he is fairly heavily invested
w/1+1.5+3.0= 5.50 already in the pot, vs scenario 2 where he has only 2.50 invested and now faces a big bet from a preflop aggressor
also notice if they both fold to the river bet scenario 1 gets much more value

if both scenarios go to the river S1 gets 11.50 s2 gets 10.50, plus 10% value s1
if villian folds river both scenarios, s1 gets 5.50, s2 gets 2.50, s1 +120% value

so overall i think scenario 1 is way more profitable in the long run, especially when you are oop, but the same logic applies if you were in position. In limit poker you never want to miss a street of value and i think that concept applies here as well. You might be able to smooth call on the flop or turn and see if he leads again if he is an aggro type, and then get some type of raise in latter in the hand, if you are in position you can ensure and must ensure no street goes unbet. In the micros they call if they have a hand so we must be considerate on give them that opportunity

i am going to seperate my reply for reasons that will hopefully be clear in a moment
but i hope the math on non sloplaying is helpful

hg

filobetto wrote:Hi Hg and Phil,

I enjoyed the video. It brought out some good points.

1 hand that stuck out for me was when Phil had QQ. He made a set and the villian 3 bet Phil's C-bet. In that situation, what I like to do is just call and check the turn. I always think if a guy 3 bets my flop c-bet I want to give him the oppurtunity to bet the turn too. It seemed, like there was a missed oppurtunity there for maybe getting his stack.

As it urned out Phil boated on the river and led out and the villain folded. I can't remember how you guys played the turn on the hand.

alrighty then. i couldnt find the hand you speak of in the video, i might be under the influence of my favorite adult beverage, or just stupid, but i found phil making a set of qqq about 22 minutes in, but the action doesnt match your description, do you have a time on the hand?

thanks hg

I guess I'll have to go back and watch it again. Maybe I had it wrong. I seem to like my beverages too